HRR already has rules on who can row for Leander in the Thames Cup. Seems most of these guys would have to row for Ladies Plate based on their ergs

Jumping back a bit, David B-Copley has been training at Caversham with the under 23s. He is not part of that Keane 8. Not sure what he was up to that day, subbing I guess?

bankrider wrote:

Clancularius wrote:

bankrider wrote:

Team Keane should be entirely eligible for the Temple if they are an Oxford University college composite - they don't have any full blues right?

You can only have 2 colleges as a composite and i think they have more than 2 colleges.

Ah okay. Still proves the point that they are massively ineligible for the Thames however.

The Team Keane entry is the most questionable out of the three IMHO. Taurus are an alumni 4+ with one person who isn't (but I suppose that could've been easily changed) and Elizabethan appear full of US Uni guys but again, they are alumni. Cue argument over what constitutes a standard sufficient for club events...

Stewards' Meeting December 2013 - The Club Events The Committee of Management has become increasingly aware of the trend for university and college students to train with their student clubs and to compete in student events during the academic year but then to transfer to a club in order to row in one of the three club events at the Regatta - The Thames, The Wyfold or The Britannia Challenge Cups.The Committee has considered this trend and has determined that it is detrimental to the spirit and intentions of the three club events. If a student chooses to compete exclusively for a club throughout the year then he is an entirely appropriate member of his club’s crew for the Regatta. If, however, a student has trained and raced for his university or college at a high level in competitive events during the year then his appearance in a club crew will be deemed to be inappropriate. Clubs are reminded of General Rule 3:-"The Committee shall have the power, at any time, to notify a club that an entry will not be accepted in certain events if the Committee considers such an entry to be inappropriate."

Jumpo wrote:

Fly on the wall wrote:

Fisty wrote:

Team Keane all Oxford students
Elizabethan all Princeton/Harvard students (besides the one that was expelled 👀)
Taurus rumoured to have two athletes not allowed
London 4+ Princeton students

Shady characters. If you race for the uni in the year, don't do the club events.

Just my opinion. Shady shady ringers. Boooo

A group of friends, wanting to race, and compete in the only event of their level for which they are constitutionally eligible, whilst representing an up and coming club that does great work, don't sound like shady characters.

On the contrary they sound like people that encapsulate the essence of sport: competition, camaraderie and using what talents you have to support the next generation by providing exposure to an institution that works a lot with introducing the sport to the young. 

An example of a flamboyant Oxford response that could just as easily be phased like so:

'We want to row in the lowest event we possibly can, because we're too scared to race other university clubs.

We are providing our own (oriel college) blades, boat, and mini bus, but needed someone shifty enough to let us row under their name'.

If it's all in the name of sport, just enter the student events, or even the ladies plate. This would still provide you with coverage and avoid detracting from that of the club events 🤠

^^This

Totally ignores what club rowing is all about. Volunteer committee members running community clubs while also generally working full time jobs, and training to compete in club events.

Even basic things lien equipment. My club have to scrimp and save and get all of our club members to fundraiser  to buy second hand equipment, while they turn up in a brand new pacher with no responsibilities.

It's about building a sustainable club scene in the uk and allowing genuine club rowers to compete on a level playing field at the most prestigious event of the year. Club like Nottingham, city of oxford, agecroft, Worcester are all flying the flag this year and if entries like this continue we won't be seeing entries from them in 10 years time.

Clubman wrote:

Jumpo wrote:

Fly on the wall wrote:

A group of friends, wanting to race, and compete in the only event of their level for which they are constitutionally eligible, whilst representing an up and coming club that does great work, don't sound like shady characters.

On the contrary they sound like people that encapsulate the essence of sport: competition, camaraderie and using what talents you have to support the next generation by providing exposure to an institution that works a lot with introducing the sport to the young. 

An example of a flamboyant Oxford response that could just as easily be phased like so:

'We want to row in the lowest event we possibly can, because we're too scared to race other university clubs.

We are providing our own (oriel college) blades, boat, and mini bus, but needed someone shifty enough to let us row under their name'.

If it's all in the name of sport, just enter the student events, or even the ladies plate. This would still provide you with coverage and avoid detracting from that of the club events 🤠

^^This

Totally ignores what club rowing is all about. Volunteer committee members running community clubs while also generally working full time jobs, and training to compete in club events.

Even basic things lien equipment. My club have to scrimp and save and get all of our club members to fundraiser to buy second hand equipment, while they turn up in a brand new pacher with no responsibilities.

It's about building a sustainable club scene in the uk and allowing genuine club rowers to compete on a level playing field at the most prestigious event of the year. Club like Nottingham, city of oxford, agecroft, Worcester are all flying the flag this year and if entries like this continue we won't be seeing entries from them in 10 years time.

You mean the same level playing field where Leander ships in juniors straight from school and trains them up all year, where london clubs have 10x the resources of provincial clubs? People will always compete at Henley and the stewards should look to put on the highest standard racing they can. If you work a 9-5 you can still get 2 sessions in a day if you tried but most don't want to. 

Its embarrassing for club rowing training year round if they can get beaten by a bunch of college choppers who do 3 sets of eight weeks trying to crash into each other.